I just got one, and it seems to be always on, i.e. sending picture and sound to the HDMI-connected TV. There's no physical On/Off button, and it doesn't respond to Off from the remote.
That is correct, there is no on/off option on the portals. They are always on.
I see that it uses about 8 watts of power continuously, 24 hours/day. Who did they bribe to get an Energy Star sticker on this power-wasting sucker?
geopro1 wrote: I just got one, and it seems to be always on, i.e. sending picture and sound to the HDMI-connected TV. There's no physical On/Off button, and it doesn't respond to Off from the remote.
That matches my measurements as well.. Think I got 9 watts..
But it really isn't that much power...
Really though, none of Shaw's terminals turn off.. They all use the same amount of power on as 'off'. The auto 'off' on the DCX3400 really annoyed me.. If the TV here gets left on the cable terminal when the household members go out, the terminal will power down after 4 hours or so, but still outputs a black video signal, so the TV stays on. If the TV here gets left on with the Xbox, an hour of no activity the Xbox turns off, it outputs no video signal, and then the TV turns off 20 minutes later..
8-9 watts doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up when it's 24/365. Devices should consume no more than 0.5 watts on standby, especially a device that may only be used for a few hours per week. It's ridiculous not to have a standby mode on this portal device, and even more ridiculous to put an Energy Star sticker on it!
I've been pretty disappointed with what I see initially of Shaw's TV offering this time around. Not only this portal issue, but a couple of other things are making Shaw much less attractive than Telus Optik TV.
- Lack of installation flexibility: Telus PVRs and portals can be connected by ethernet, coax or WiFi, and their boxes can provide ethernet-over-coax connection for other devices at the same location. Shaw is still coax only, and hasn't even bothered enabling the ethernet port on their devices.
- Still no CW network channel. Telus includes CW in all their packages, has for years.
And Telus Optik TV still costs significantly less than Shaw! Even with the package discount issue I'm tempted to boot Shaw TV and keep Telus.
Seriously, is Shaw even trying to be competitive in what's supposed to be their original flagship product area? I know they are dependent on getting common cable-industry equipment that they don't control, and that equipment has fallen behind new developments in recent years, but still...
I've got both at home right now *cough cough*
Picture quality is much higher on Shaw than Telus though.
geopro1 wrote: 8-9 watts doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up when it's 24/365.
8-9 watts doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up when it's 24/365.
So I did the math.. It adds up to approximately $7/year.
I did the watts math when I was setting up my UPS system.. My network switch has around 75% of my UPS load... haha
I get about $6/year. But of course to judge the impact you have to convert that to meters of shoreline lost to global warming, fractions of future-generation children killed by environmental disaster etc.
Just going to chime in here,
1. Install flexibility:
Our testers have tried the other options, but found less than ideal results. For example, wireless setups, while cable free, do create challenges based on the environment. At a location like an apartment complex when there are multiple wireless networks the system would see wireless saturation and have connectivity troubles. With the coax option, there is a dedicated line for the Gateway and won't interfere with other service performance.
Shaw does have the CW affiliates (KTLA, WPIX, etc). I know as WGN Chicago recently went independent that there currently is not an HD version of the CW Network. I do encourage you to let us know of your interest in the channel via Shaw Channel Request form .
I understand the channels you noted and do thank you for the feedback.
I found the KTLA CW SD channel, although it isn't listed in the "Personal TV" channels here: TV Packages, Cable Plans, TV Plans and Rates | TV - Shaw
It's a pity that there's no HD channel, but I guess enough has been said about that by others, and I hope Shaw will make an effort to get one.
I think everyone understands that WiFi can have issues as a connection method, but that should be the customer's option. Ethernet shouldn't be a problem.
I do think Shaw Cable has slightly better 1080i picture quality than Telus Optik TV in the current generation, as you would expect from the higher bandwidth per channel, but in reality it's not very visible. And of course it doesn't help if all you offer is an SD version of the channel!
geopro1 wrote: I think everyone understands that WiFi can have issues as a connection method, but that should be the customer's option. Ethernet shouldn't be a problem.
I need to connect a Portal with Ethernet right now, this evening.. Running a coax cable just for the Portal when the Ethernet is already there.. Gateway has Ethernet, Portal has Ethernet.. No work together ;(
I'll even put the Portal traffic on a separate VLAN if the data needs to be kept apart....
Yes, that's too bad. Telus Optik TV can do ethernet, but Shaw can't.
This is not turning out to be a good experience with Shaw so far. Tonight we just got everything hooked up and turned on for the first time - and now the TV signal is breaking up. Phone message says that Shaw system is currently experiencing general difficulties. We never had a single incident like this in the last 2.5 years with Telus. I'm seriously thinking of telling Shaw to take it back and keeping Telus Optik TV.
geopro1 wrote:but in reality it's not very visible. And of course it doesn't help if all you offer is an SD version of the channel!
but in reality it's not very visible. And of course it doesn't help if all you offer is an SD version of the channel!
SD vs HD is definitely a difference, but Shaw HD vs Telus HD, is easy to tell..
I also have them on an HDMI switch, switching from Input 2 to Input 4, seeing the same channel, it is a substantial difference..
Also figure it this way.. Shaw is generally putting 3 HD channels on a QAM, which is 35-40 mbps. Telus HD is exactly 5.2 mbps. So higher bit-rate is likely the difference, but it isn't negligible.
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