Noticed this on the forum this morning, and it piqued my interest. Any clue what it means?
Yes officially BlueSky TV is launching which brings the x1 platform to the TV.
BlueSky TV hardware overview
BlueSky TV is the Best Thing to Happen to Your TV Since Colour, and It's Available from Shaw Today
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Here's a question. Will this system require another new Gateway purchase, or just a firmware update and new remote for the current gateway (XG1)?
Looks like this will be awesome. I'm all over it once it hits the Vancouver area.
It will require a new Gateway.
I have been told that the changes between the "Moxi" Gateway that was the most recent hardware and the "XG1v3" Gateway extend beyond just a firmware update, despite how similar the two boxes look.
The reason why it needs to be swapped is due to the modes they are in. The Moxi Box is configured to boot up for Moxi, where as the BlueSky TV Box is configured for RDK. There is a process to convert a Moxi box to RDK, however that can't be done in the field (hence the swap).
That being said, a shaw-moderator can confirm if a Moxi XG1v3 is purchased and switching over to BlueSky TV, will the the XG1V3(RDK) be swapped as a purchase. The Portals because they are different have a rental cost I believe or are included in the 2 year value plan, not sure about purchasing option. Best person to discuss those details is a moderator.
In one word, it is Great!
I'm an old telco guy who works at Shaw, so I'm normally not too impressed with the TV side of things. (TV is just TV... )
However, having worked on some of the projects that brought BlueSky to life and having been lucky enough to participate in the employee trial, I'm pretty impressed with the system.
Even without talking the remote, "What should I watch," finding something to watch is pretty darned easy. Movie night at our house used to mean going to the vod website, placing the order, then heading down to the TV to watch what we ordered.
Now, we just flip to the on-demand screen and all the most recent content is right there and purchasing a title to watch is super simple. And there is sooo much free content as well. Binge-watching "Highway through Hell" or "Say Yes to the Dress," or "Dr. Pol" is darned simple.
Oh, and if you have a "Crave" subscription, all that content is there as well. (I don't subscribe and the content is still there, I just can't watch it.)
Does anyone know when Blue Sky will expand outside of Calgary specifically Vancouver?
No official date announced at this time, but hopefully soon!
It is now available in Lower Mainland! Check your community inbox.
[mark_vse] CES this year was all about HDR, not 4k... I believe there are 1080P HDR sets out there.
Let's set the record straight here: HDR was introduced as a new feature for 4K (i.e. not 1080p) as a way to spur sales, and its standards were refined and finalized by the UHD Alliance under the "Ultra HD Premium" label. See here for more details: HDR TV: What is it and should you care about it?
[buckycat] You know more than me, but but doing a quick Google search I couldn't find any [HDR 1080p sets].
Buckycat's suspicions are correct; I'm not aware of any 1080p-only sets that are HDR-ready as they don't qualify as UHD displays (let alone UHD Premium labeled displays), and I don't see this changing since 1080p-only sets are already being phased out.
[mark_vse] The next set top box deployed within the xfinity platform will likely have 4k and hdr (whichever one is the better one to go with that tv, content producers etc align on).
I think you meant to say "...the xfinity platform will likely have Dolby Vision and HDR (whichever one is the better one to go with..." As I already explained above, you can't have HDR and/or Dolby Vision without 4K.
[mark_vse] It's that very reason that I think HLG will be the de facto standard for everything. We shall see
That's one heck of a statement, especially considering that UHD Blu-ray, Netflix 4K, and Amazon 4K have all adopted HDR. I'll admit I'm not very familiar with HLG, but after reading that article it seems like some sort of "poor man's" solution that's being proposed in the UK. With HLG, it appears you're still limited to the standard colour gamut (whether it be ATSC or something else, depending on where you live), so any kind of "enhancement" just sounds like snake oil to me. If network TV broadcasters in North America decide they want to use it in order to save on licensing fees, then I guess all we can do is hope they don't abuse it and overblow colours, etc. Premium content such as UHD Blu-ray, etc. will and should continue to pursue the HDR/DV options. I'd also hope that PPV and On Demand services would evenutually start using HDR/DV.
mark_vse, can I ask who you are exactly? Are you a Shaw representative, or just a regular user? Just wondering where you're getting your information from.
Visor.. there are 4 HDR technologies, not sure if you were aware of it.
and i agree about the 1080p TV's that there are none. In another thread i clarified what the the demonstration last year i saw at CES was 1080p content with HDR comparing to 4k Standalone (non HDR). Both were on 4k TV's.
Netflix and Amazon right now produce content in HDR10 and Dolby Vision. they do not support technicolor or HLG. Last year HLG was not even an option for HDR, and this year it was added to the mix. Even though Europeon Broadcasters got together to create HLG, from a compatibility perspective it sounds like the better option for broadcasters. For TV manufactures, all they need to do is update firmware in the TV, which Samsung and others have committed to do. it looks like the only TV manufacture supporting all 4 is LG as this point in time. Samsung is still only going with HDR10 and others are installing both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision with the additional bits added is the better technology, but have the additional costs to support it.
HLG goes a step further where if the stream goes to a non HDR enabled set, that data can still be read from it to support SDR(Backwards compatibility) and as mentioned above, broadcasters then don't need to purchase additional equipment or make changes to Workflows (content production), or pay licensing fees as well.
As far as the xi6 supporting Dolby Vision, i can't say it will or not. Licensing costs on millions of set top boxes can add up very quickly
If you get a TV that has HDR10 and Dolby Vision, you are likely good to go as HLG will be added in it as well via firmware
I am a shaw employee, you can ask other members what my qualifications are. This discussion isn't meant to create conflict or arguments, i am just providing insight. This is a good article explaining HLG
Thank you for the clarification on the 4 HDR technologies; I saw your 4-chipset comment in a previous post but I forgot to ask you about it. Reviewing your linked article, I can see why I haven't heard much about HLG or Advanced HDR (which I'm assuming is the 'Technicolor' you're referring to?) as these technologies are still "years away" and/or only being seriously looked at overseas.
I didn't want to create a conflict on this thread either; I just interpreted your previous replies as supporting HDR in a 1080p-only sense, which was obviously inaccurate. Thank you for clearing things up with the demonstration you saw last year. I have no doubt that the HDR 1080p demo looked better than the non-HDR 4K demo. I personally have no need for a (non-HDR) 4K resolution display device in my home given viewing distances (I have an 80" 1080p TV that I sit anywhere from 10-13 feet away from, and I can't see any pixel structure from that distance with 20/20+ vision).
Now that I understand what you were trying to convey, I agree that it's best to wait for 4K-capable Shaw STBs until the appropriate model comes down the pipe with sufficient HDR support. Obviously, your original second point about the current lack of 4K content is a sobering reminder to anyone looking to view 4K broadcast material. Telus Optik's main selling point for 4K was the World Junior's... okay, so that's over, now what?
Of course, not everyone will listen; there's already at least one poster on a similar thread at DigitalHome.ca who's mighty pissed about no 4K content on Bluesky.
Since you're a Shaw employee (and don't worry about having to prove your qualifications ), maybe you can answer this for me... I'm currently using Shaw Gateway but I'm looking to sell my equipment later this year, as I will be moving to Australia. Will Shaw Gateway still be available to new customers so that they can use my equipment? Thanks.
Hi Visor, BlueSky is offered as a premier product, the Shaw Gateway will still be available for purchase and the equipment will still be supported.
yeah hopefully more content comes out, and I am awaiting to see what HDR technology Rogers and other American/Canadian stations decides to go with in the future
I hopefully was able to assist with this topic, I am super excited about it once it does get figured out :-D. I also hope that Samsung decides to support Dolby as well as a just in case, because I do like their TV's sets
mark_vse wrote: ...the Shaw Gateway will still be available for purchase and the equipment will still be supported.
Ah ok great, I no longer saw any mention of Shaw Gateway on Shaw's TV Plans page so I was a little worried.
Samsung's pretty good, but I was disappointed to see that they completely ignored OLED once again at CES this year. They can harp up their own "high end" QLED technology all they want, but at its core it's still backlit LED technology, which means no 0-level blacks. Now that Sony and Panasonic have jumped on the OLED bandwagon to join longtime OLED supporter LG, Samsung is going to have quite the uphill battle to compete with at the upper-mid range and high range markets. My wife is already in Australia and we ended up splurging on an LG OLED over there, and we absolutely love it. Ugh, sorry for going off-topic...
With QLED, the one thing I was impressed with in their demonstration was how ambient light in a room was automatically compensated to ensure you constantly have a stunning image.
The gateway is still listed here for purchase and rental.
Do you think shaw will offer unsatisfied gateway system owners a deal to switch?
I would love to ditch the gateway system, its pretty awful.
You can upgrade to BlueSky TV with Premiere TV + Internet 150 bundle on a 2 year ValuePlan. Currently, that is the only offer.
shaw-harvey wrote: Hey tank_killer, You can upgrade to BlueSky TV with Premiere TV + Internet 150 bundle on a 2 year ValuePlan. Currently, that is the only offer.
I did a little number crunching and look forward to upgrading my gear and plan to Blue Sky in due course. Blue Sky with Premier TV and Internet 150 is comparable to my legacy package (Personal TV, Best of HD and Internet 150). Free equipment looks like a good solution too!. Old Shaw/Motorola tuners and Apple TVs(v3) don't fetch a lot in the second market these days!
As long as BlueSky works as advertised, the package of features looks pretty good. I say this with some trepidation as Gateway didn't work for my household. Lost DVR data and an interface that was hard to navigate and read(wife hated it) didn't bode well for Gateway. Shaw was kind enough to take all the equipment back and put us back to legacy HDPVR gear which has worked very well since.
If Blue Sky also included Netflix, YouTube and a few other apps Shaw would have a real winner!
No thanks, my confidence in shaw's TV products is low. I wont be buying more products at this point until something changes my views or shaw is willing to meet me half way and give me some sort of deal. I feel burned by shaws "flagship" product now, wont make that mistake again.
I wish shaw all the best on their iptv launch.
I reçently moved to BlueSky. The time was right, most of my promotions had expired and one of my terminals was failing. I put together a package, with the assistance of the Shaw rep, that reflected my previous legacy options and a residual promotion on Internet 150. I now have new gear(rental) and a great plan for the next two years.
New Blue Sky system does take some getting used to, but is pretty intuitive.
A couple minor glitches with BlueSky setup:
When the tech came by he installed a PVR and two portals. The activation server was down so I agreed to call in later to do the activiation. I did so without any problems.
Pairing the remote required a few extra steps for my older Samasung plasma and I have found the input menu doesn't close and does time out and collapses after 30 secs. My newer TVs paired just fine.
BlueSky is a completely new account so I can't use an older HD terminal from my old system. Also the billing cycle changes. Apparently once activated and established I can request to change the billing cycle to more familiar dates if I choose.
The account activation took a couple weeks and I had to phone in to remind Shaw. Everything worked, just a behind the scene activity. The day the account was activated I came home and noticed my Apple router was not receiving from the Shaw modem/router. Turns out when the new account activation occurred the Shaw modem was kicked out of bridging mode. The net result(pardon the pun) two competing routers(2 NATs says the Apple wifi app). A quick call to Shaw....all fixed.
Just a few minor setup issues along the way to upgrading to a whole new system. All handled very well by Shaw.
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